A perfect merging of two of my favorite shows: 24 and LOST. We just need Jack Bauer and Chloe in there somewhere. Hey that’s how we can recreate the Ajira flight to make it like Oceanic. Jack Bauer plays Sayid and Chloe plays Shannon. BTW there is a plan for a top secret podcast this week. Look for it on Wednesday night or Thursday. It will be our first ReWatch Redo podcast for a special Season 5 episode.
5.11 Whatever Happened Happened (Kate)
That’s a blatant continuity error to move Ben’s gun shot from one side to the other. I don’t think it was done by accident. The moments Jin was unconscious, we don’t know if Jacob came to change things. I just hope it gets answered before the show finishes.
I don’t know why Sayid would try to change outcome of Ben by shooting him (i guess it was part of Sayid’s personality as we saw in a previous episode) had he not been that way it’s possible they could have nurtured him into a better person, since he was still young he would have been meek enough and might have change the way he could have turned out to be.
It’s possible that Roger changed the way he treated Ben after he had been shot, we don’t really see him acting like the S.O.B we knew him to be previous to this. So had Ben been fixed by Jack, Ben would have been a better person from the experience. Jack didn’t realize it was the islands doing, to send him back to fix this.
The time Sawyer whispered in Kate’s ear had to be longer than what we saw. I fail to realise how Sawyer could have given her that much detail about his daughter than he had time to. And when did Kate realise that Cassidy was the same Cassidy she knew back in a flashback.
I think Clementine is sitting on a whole heap of cash she doesn’t even know. Not only did Sawyer give her reward money from ratting in a guy at the prison, but the settlement money from Kate also added to that.
I don’t know if anyone else felt it, but I really wanted to see what would happen if Ben did die. Then the future would be changed. It just illustrates the role that the island plays in keeping him alive. Had it not been for Richard Alpert and the hostiles, Juliet, Sawyer, Kate & the Temple then there would be no way Ben would still be alive. Why is Ben so important? or is it the underlying theme, that whatever happened, happened, and that’s what’s keeping Ben alive. Had Jack fixed Ben, how would be he the killer and manipulator that he is. I thought the reason Kate feels for boy Ben is that she knows what it feels like to lose a son. It’s also ironic that Jack said he will let the island do everything, if it was up to the island Jack would be dead due to his appendicitis. Then he wouldn’t be back in the past with Dharma. So there’s an inconsistency in the story somewhere, or Jack just doesn’t get it.
Aaron is such a brave boy to be persuaded to stay with a person he’s never met before, in his grandmother.
I listened to the Transmissions Master Class 3 podcast and it was interesting to hear one of the costume designers to mention that the Others/Hostiles are actually a sophisticated bunch, and the ragged clothes is only an outfit. It was hard to look at Richard in a different light after those comments.
When Richard takes Ben to the temple to be healed. I don’t think he takes him there to see Jacob to heal him, rather he uses the Temple in either a ritual or a device that is in there to assist Ben. Richard walks into the Temple wall but it’s not actually the temple, is it?
5.12 Dead is Dead (Ben)
If Locke is smokey, then how did smokey get over to the Hydra Island. That’s why I think he’s the nemesis, and the same question begs, how did nemesis get to the other island.
They way Ben woke up in the infirmary with Locke starting down at him was definitely different between previous episodes.
I thought Ben lost his innocence, it doesn’t explain why Ben still is so soft on mothers and children, when he didn’t want to shoot Danielle.
It’s funny seeing Ben & Locke trying to take dominance over each other. And it’s the same thing Ben & Charles are demonstrating to Richard in the flashback.
When Widmore get’s banished and it was revealed that he was seeing a woman off island. Why is this not Eloise? I guess she left not much later after she shot her son, and then probably continued seeing Widmore.
It’s weird we keep seeing the same corner of the temple wall as we have seen in previous episodes. I didn’t think they were that cheap with the budget.
I wonder who would be in charge of the world? is it the island, or the two Jacob and Nemesis? or even someone above them? It seems the island hasn’t a need for Ben anymore, but the island still won’t let Ben die. Which leads me to believe Nemesis needs Ben to kill Jacob still, so he’s the one keeping Ben alive, even though he’d been banished.
I have a feeling Ilana knows that Jacob is going to be killed and therefore going to take the form that his Nemesis takes. Which is the reason they need Lapidus, so that Jacob can use his body. The same way Locke’s is being used.
Another reason why the smoke monster seems to appear when John isn’t there is because maybe the smoke monster can’t be where Nemesis or Jacob is.
Think the real judgement came when Alex pulled Ben aside and asked him to follow John’s every word. If he had denied this, then he would have died. The same thing happened to Eko, he didn’t show remorse over his killings, so Yemi (Smokey) killed him.
If Smokey was the servant of whoever John is now, then I wonder why John didn’t show any emotion to the monster letting Ben live. I would have expected John to smirk, as if he knew ‘of course it let you live’, ‘it’s all part of my plan’.
5.13 Some Like it Hoth (Miles)
I’m sure it’s the radiation leak from Jughead that lead to Mile’s mom being sick in the future, and possibly giving Mile’s the ability to interrogate the dead.
How is it that they are able to build all these stations and not be detected by the hostiles. That fence around the swan wasn’t going to insulate sound or anything.
I’m not sure how Miles was able to talk to the dead grandson in season 4, when he requires the body of the dead present. I don’t think Hurley’s powers are better, Hurley can only talk to the dead that he knows, where Miles can talk to just about any dead people.
Mile’s got the hard end the bargain, he won’t ever get his $1.6Million.
This guy Alverez ends up in the Dharma ditch where Locke tried to kill himself didn’t he? There was a skeleton with a hole in its head, then what is it doing in the Orchid?
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5.08 La Fleur
If Charlotte’s body got dropped off in the time period they just visited (around the statue time) then her decomposed body and skeleton should be still there in front of Daniel in 1977. This is providing the hostiles didn’t find it already and disposed of it properly.
Still nothing has been said about the truce between the Dharma Initiative and the Hostile. I’m not sure why burying was so significant, but it appeared that Amy just didn’t want the bodies found. If it has something to do with the island resurrecting the bodies, then how would she have knowledge of this.
When the reunited losties asked Sawyer how long it’s been since they’ve seen each other they both experienced 3 years apart. Which is interesting, had it been 6 years, would the other party experienced 6 years. If you analyse the people from the Oceanic 815 flight, just about everyone has experienced 3 years apart, or they have died since the crash which would make their duration void. Had Locke still been alive to be reunited, he would be the odd one out, since he left the island, he jumped 2-3 years into the future, which would mean had he travelled back to 1977 he would have lost those 3 years and only experienced weeks. Is this the reason he is dead? or is he resting so he can catch the 3 years he lost? Has Sun lost or gained anytime? I think their story is that they continued from where they left off in 2007.
When Jin finds Sayid and got him to drop to his knees, he could have given him a wink or something. Instead he thinks Jin has a split personality.
I couldn’t see why the losties in 1977 couldn’t have said they knew each other off the island, and that’s why they were so close.
5.10 He’s Our You
We don’t know if any of these people who Sayid has been hunting have actually been affiliated with Widmore or not. They could just be random people who Ben has tracked and ask him to kill. Even when Ben said that’s all the people, there’s still Widmore alive, why wouldn’t Ben want Widmore hunted. Then there is also that guy parked in front of Hurley’s hospital.
I’m surprised Sayid didn’t say he was having a disagreement with the hostiles, which would make Horace want to help him. But he just stayed quiet and encouraged more suspicion about him, possibly being a spy.
I wonder what makes the Dharma Initiative despise the Hostiles? It doesn’t look like they are on the best terms, yet when Richard strolls into the village, he is able to peacefully negotiate.
The only reason Sawyer came with Sayid to see Oldham was to see how much information Sayid would compromise, and it turns out Sayid didn’t reveal much to threaten Sawyer.
It’s interesting what Radzinki said about Sayid being in their compound. He said “the longer he stays here, they longer they are in danger”, surprisingly that’s the same about Ben being in the midst of the Losties. He manipulated, conned and lied to them, and it was to their detriment.
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Some mild spoilers below. You may want to watch all the Mysteries of Universe segments first before reading this.
On the new LOST DVD set is a mockumentary called Mysteries of the Universe which seems to be based on a TV show I remember from the late 70’s and early 1980’s. The show was “In Search Of” starring the narration of none other than Leonard Nimoy of Mr. Spock (Star Trek) and William Bell (Fringe) fame. In this series, Nimoy would explore the mysteries behind BigFoot, Extraterrestrials and the Search for the Lost City of Atlantis, and such. Here is a sample. You can compare this with the Mysteries of the Universe clip below it.
Some interesting things about the Dharma Initiative can be found by watching the Mysteries of the Universe clips:
- The LA Church is the center of Dharma operations. The church is a “front” organization which conceals the funding mechanism for Dharma supply operations and purchases (including submarine fuel). We also know from Season 5 that the church houses an underground Dharma station known as the Lamp Post, which calculates the location of where the Island will move to next.
- Note: The Lamp Post has further significance. In the Narnia book series the Lamp Post from 1940’s England showed up in a medieval world at a place “between worlds”.
- This Church is where Eloise Hawking works and carries on a tradition set up decades ago to track the island. Her personal records are missing, but she is listed on the birth certificate of Daniel Faraday. Why are their last names different? Does it have something to do with Widmore being banished from the island? Does Jill at the meat locker shop work with her too?
- Olivia Goodspeed returned after being missing for years. The Dharma recruits came for her. She may have been on the sub we see leaving the island at the end of Season 5.
- The Mysteries of the Universe end credit shows the Numbers listed as roman numerals.
5.04 The Little Prince (Kate/Aaron)
It’s strange how Locke says it’s all happening because they left, but in fact it’s all happening because Ben dislodged the wheel. They would have been OK had Ben not done this. If the island is in fact in control and there is a purpose for them skipping to whatever time period it is, I’m sure there’s a higher power in charge.
When Charlotte woke up and asked Daniel who he was, its was as if Charlotte recognized him as the crazy man from the past, and when he said Daniel. It’s as if she found her constant and started to remember things
It’s ironic that Kate was the one to deliver Aaron, and happens to be the one taking care of Aaron in the future.
Sawyer seems like a different man since the vision of Kate.
When I first discovered the lawyer was visiting Claire’s mom, I though she was suspicious of Kate & Aaron. But then it turned out she didn’t know anything about the boy, which was a real shock.
5.05 This Place is Death (Jin/Sun)
When Ben was driving Sun & Jack to wherever he was going, he sounded like a parent with two quarreling kids in the back seat. Ironically it’s the same thing parents go through when raising kids. If the child had known how much sacrifice the mom or dad has to make to make their lives a good one, they would be thanking them every second they had.
Locke, Daniel & Jin’s noses are the only ones that don’t bleed.
When Charlotte dies, it makes me think if this the very reason Daniel cries when he hears about the missing oceanic plane.
If Christian is a spirit, how can he handle the lamp. If Christian was right about John moving the island not Ben, then Ben would have still remained the leader of the others.
Ben would have known that Eliose was an ex-leader of the others. So why is she helping him, even though she knows he’s up to no good.
Ben looked confused when Desmond uttered the words “Are you looking Faraday’s mother too?” Being an other, it’s quite possible he knew that Ellie had killed a man with the same name in the past.
Just another comment about this episode that’s racking my brain:
How is it that Christian Shepherd has moved back to the past to talk to Locke? We know it is way back as Mile’s will exclaim in the episode “La Fleur”, so how is it that Christian was able to time travel with the losties? Is he real? If he’s a spirit, then maybe spirits are able to travel throughout all time periods.
5.07 The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham (Locke/Un-Locke)
I’m watching the rewatch in the order they originally planned with “Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham” before “316”. I can now see why they switched the two episodes, as the Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham was too spoilerish with the plan crashed landing.
I’m totally convince that this is the moment John becomes Un-Locke. I don’t think he ever became him before the Ajira arrival. How else is he able to dress up in a suit? What makes it different to Christian Shepherd is that Christian’s body was never found. Is it still lost, or did whoever possessed it actually took his body, and why is Locke’s body still in the box? Now that Nemesis has Locke’s body, does Christian still exist as a walking dead? But this doesn’t dispel the theory that Un-Locke is time travelling, which could still be possible.
It’s interesting both Ben & John sustained injuries before turning the wheel and when being transported after the donkey wheel. Is it a prerequisite for travelling in time? I’m not sure if this is the exact location Ben came to when he left. But why does it take longer for them to discover Locke then Ben?
Locke chose to leave because Nemesis manipulated him into going, as if he didn’t want Locke there, or he knew that when Locke returned he would be dead and he would be able to take his shape. What a great plan.
If Widmore is saying the island needs Locke, then he must have been influenced by Nemesis. Maybe Richard’s know the real where about of Jacob, but Widmore directed Ben to the Cabin, as to where Nemesis was, as he though he couldn’t help him. I don’t think John is special, the only thing that makes him special because he is the loop hole. Looks like the one manipulating John is the nemesis.
How was the photo of Sayid taken if he happens to be building the house in the Dominican Republic now?
Abaddon moves as if he has a stiff neck, almost robotic, even the way he died. I wonder if he’s been injured before and has been healed (hence the walk-about he mentioned going on.
Helen dies of a brain aneurysm, similar to Charlotte, was she time-jumping? I wondered why Ben choose to shot Abaddon now. He’s been following him for sometime now. I don’t think Ben was trying to kill John. When John woke from the accident, it was similar to his revival when Jacob touched him, with the gasp of air.
No one called John by his alias during this episode. When in season four they made it a big deal of not revealing his real identity
We can see why Ben is so good at manipulating Locke, it was even said in a previous episode that he was amenable for coercion.
I wonder if Eloise Hawking told Ben he needed Locke dead. Or maybe she said she needed Ben dead. But Ben was able to kill Locke to take his place. Maybe Eloise was going to tell Locke to kill Ben, and that’s the way it was supposed to happen, so Ben had to prevent it someway.
5.06 “316” (Jack)
The lamp post had photographed images of the island that seemed to be miliary reconnaissance missions. I think the military people in 1954 were fore-runners for the Dharma Initiative, they were to scout the island for possible threats.
Think of this as a theory. Charles Widmore is actually Charlie Hume from the future who came back to the island in similar circumstances to the Ajira 316 flight and got zapped back in the past, and has been living with the hostiles all this time.
Daniel Faraday might have built the lamp-post station. Maybe that’s what Daniel was doing in Ann Arbour.
If the island seemed to summon all the passengers it needed onto the plane, why wasn’t it successful at bringing Desmond back? Free Will? Then what happens to what happened, happened? Huge debate or free will vs fate
I wonder if Eloise Hawking working in this church links her to the Monk Brother Campbell that Desmond was in the monastery with. I wonder how she was able to obtain the suicide letter from John Locke? Was she connected to the funeral parlour guy, or the police? I wonder if Eloise choose to not come back to the island after giving birth to Daniel because she was so distraught about killing her own son. It’s her lifetime wish to fix what had happened, and needs to get Jack back to fix it. How was Locke able to be dressed in the suit? I wonder how it was purchased for him, with what money?
That was an interesting introduction to the Ajira flight, they didn’t even go through the safety instructions that are common in each flight.
When Jack, Kate and Hurley arrive on the island, it’s as if they were place there (by the hand of God?), because they definitely didn’t drop or fall, because Kate would be dead on the rocks, and Jack would be pierced by bamboo.
Some people say that the island can be found with the coordinates 4.815deg 162.342deg. But I’m sure the location can be found in 4 possible places. Because of its close proximity to the equator and International Date Line, it could +/-4.815deg (North or South), then +/-162.342 (East or West).
When Des says to Ms Hawkings, “Daniel sent him to deliver a message, to help those they left behind”, it would appear he was too late in relaying the message, as we’ve seen Frogurt and the rest of the red shirts die. I wonder if it’s because the island will bring Jack, Kate, Sayid & Hurley back to the past to fix everything up. So if Jack’s plan is successful everyone would not have to experience the crash and everything after that. Everyone would still be alive.
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UPDATE: I purchased the DVD’s and have already watched the first two episodes. Get ready for the Season 5 All About Lost ReWatch starting this weekend. Please watch the first 3 episodes and you can send us your comments here.
Okay it’s only a few hours away until Tuesday. And I am ready to go get my Season 5 DVD set. In my area you can get them at all the big stores. Online, Amazon.com seems to be matching the lowest price (without the tax and shipping charge). Why get the DVD’s you ask? Well firstly Hulu.com is no longer letting you watch the first batch of Season 5 episodes for free. Secondly you will miss out on the episode commentaries. And thirdly what is more fun than watching the behind the scenes action on a cold dark December night (or day) with some hot cocoa in front of a blazing fire. (If you don’t have a fire you could find that yule log channel and switch back and forth to Lost).
Now here are some preview pics to pass the last few agonizing hours…. Some info about the photos
Hieroglyphs & Tapestry: Analyzing possible clues is a favourite activity of LOST fans, so check out these high-resolution photos of Jacob’s tapestry and hieroglyphs on a pillar in the tunnels.
Courtesy of Buena Vista Home Entertainment. ©ABC Studios.
In the fourth of my series on TV, books and movie influences on LOST I get to discuss two of my favorites. If you read my “about me” post called “Why I really get LOST” you will see how much those aforementioned things reflect on my love of Lost and my life in general.
So here are some of the tie-ins to LOST I see in the Lord of the Rings:
The Great Eye – Well, as probably everyone knows, LOST starts off with the shot of a single eye-opening to reveal Jack alone in the jungle on Lost island. In LOTR we see the Great Eye described as “lidless wreathed in flame”, which is the eye of Sauron, the evil and dark presence in Middle Earth. In both stories the “Eye” is referenced quite frequently. In LOST, I read the eye to represent an awaking of the soul (as in a birth or rebirth). In LOTR the eye is just the opposite, it represents slavery and death of the soul until all living things are subjugated to the will and control of the evil one.
Myth & Legend – The LOTR’s has a backstory going back through many civilizations of Middle Earth. With each new place the characters discover there are relics and carvings from an older civilization. For instance before they can enter Moria they must first use an old incantation to open the doors to the underground world of the ancient Dwarves. In LOST, the survivors first encounter the first “layer” if you will when they enter the Swan hatch (from the 70’s), then they discover the four-toed statue from an even earlier civilization. And we have seen glimpses of hieroglyphics at the Orchid and the tunnels under the Dharma barracks.
Ancient creatures – On LOST the “ancient” creature is Smokey, the nanobot shaped cloud of smoke that can read your life and destroy enemies. In LOTRs there is the ancient spider Shelob and the Watcher of the Water outside Moria.
The Quest to save the World – In LOTR there is a conflict between good and evil to save Middle Earth from domination of the forces of Sauron. Gandalf explains to Frodo his purpose.
And here is Ms. Hawking describing Desmond’s role in LOST (which ties into another ring..)
The most direct tie in would be to the episodes titles. I count five LOST episode titles that refer to Bible chapters/books, or Psalms or Bible quotes.
And we know these “men of the cloth” so to speak from LOST. Both Desmond (a monk) and Mr. Eko (a priest) were people associated with religion. Charlie was associated with the Virgin Mary statues and he was an altar boy. Kate knew about names of the saints from going to Sunday school. Jack Shephard is probably a reference to the Good Shepherd. Moses is referenced directly in the show when Eko finds out Claire’s baby’s name is Aaron.
For more interesting Biblical connections to Lost check out this article at Lostpedia.